Tyler Perry spoke about his audience and career trajectory at the Produced By conference on Sunday.

In a conversation with Ava DuVernay on the second day of the Producers Guild of America’s annual conference, Perry said his audience is defined more by class than by race.

“There’s a certain class of people that I come from who know what I’m talking about, who get it,” he said. “There’s this other class who simply say, ‘What is this s***?’ ”

He told DuVernay his career hurdles likewise have more to do with his unconventionality than his race. “I’m not the person to ask about racism in this town,” he said. “I’ve never had to go through things others have to get things done.”

He and DuVernay spoke about why he’s less often considered a top diverse showrunner like Shonda Rhimes, despite his multiple series and millions of viewers.

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